1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:05,490 the upcoming mission that we've been 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:06,730 talking a lot about the year-long 3 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:08,530 mission by Scott Kelly and Mikhail 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:10,630 Kornienko is going to focus a lot of 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:12,370 energy on gathering information about 6 00:00:17,579 --> 00:00:15,010 how living in space for one year affects 7 00:00:19,919 --> 00:00:17,589 them but the work won't end when they 8 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:19,929 come back from space in fact for dr. 9 00:00:24,029 --> 00:00:21,910 Miller droshky who's joining us today it 10 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:24,039 will just be beginning he is at the 11 00:00:28,859 --> 00:00:27,460 co-principal investigator of a of a 12 00:00:30,899 --> 00:00:28,869 joint experiment with the Russians 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:30,909 called filled tests and that's short for 14 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:34,210 recovery of functional since so since 15 00:00:38,610 --> 00:00:36,760 the sensorimotor Wright performance 16 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:38,620 following long-duration spaceflight he's 17 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:41,170 also the chief of Neuroscience at NASA 18 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:42,310 and he's going to tell us a little bit 19 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:43,780 about that experiment thanks so much for 20 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:47,170 joining us meal good morning all right 21 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:51,280 well I know that we know a lot about how 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:53,980 spaceflight affects astronauts when they 23 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:55,450 get back to ground back to the ground 24 00:00:59,220 --> 00:00:56,530 but can you tell us a little bit about 25 00:01:01,440 --> 00:00:59,230 what some of those effects are well it's 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:01,450 a it's really a pretty complicated 27 00:01:08,249 --> 00:01:05,770 question you're asking it's the simple 28 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:08,259 answer is that most of the changes we 29 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:10,030 see are due to a number of different 30 00:01:15,389 --> 00:01:12,249 factors one is that the time that's 31 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:15,399 spent on orbit as well as the 32 00:01:20,249 --> 00:01:17,380 transitions from the Earth's 33 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:20,259 gravitational field to the the 34 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:23,140 weightlessness of flight and then from 35 00:01:27,539 --> 00:01:24,700 weightless back to the Earth's 36 00:01:29,789 --> 00:01:27,549 gravitational field again that's where 37 00:01:32,779 --> 00:01:29,799 we see the biggest changes primarily 38 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:32,789 because the the organs that are 39 00:01:39,260 --> 00:01:35,530 responsible for our spatial orientation 40 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:39,270 and balance located in the inner ear are 41 00:01:46,859 --> 00:01:42,030 affected by these kinds of changes as 42 00:01:49,529 --> 00:01:46,869 are the pressure sensors for example in 43 00:01:52,289 --> 00:01:49,539 the bottom of the feet the astronauts 44 00:01:55,859 --> 00:01:52,299 have been unloaded now in in this case 45 00:01:57,989 --> 00:01:55,869 for six months or more okay and this is 46 00:01:59,370 --> 00:01:57,999 something we studied a good bit during 47 00:02:02,190 --> 00:01:59,380 the shuttle days right but not so much 48 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:02,200 during Space Station time yes that's 49 00:02:09,429 --> 00:02:06,729 right we had a really nice ongoing 50 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:09,439 program with 51 00:02:16,509 --> 00:02:13,970 the shuttle flights but we looked at 52 00:02:20,679 --> 00:02:16,519 various components associated with 53 00:02:23,369 --> 00:02:20,689 balance and returned from space light as 54 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:23,379 well as other systems in the body and 55 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:28,390 then we had a very nice program that was 56 00:02:34,569 --> 00:02:31,220 done with the Russians that we're 57 00:02:37,569 --> 00:02:34,579 looking both at the shuttle and the MIR 58 00:02:39,190 --> 00:02:37,579 flight okay so this is work that's been 59 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:39,200 ongoing for a while but we're gonna I 60 00:02:43,539 --> 00:02:41,540 guess amp it up a little bit with Kelly 61 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:43,549 and Kornienko staying a whole year in 62 00:02:49,809 --> 00:02:46,730 space yes the importance of that is 63 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:49,819 really looking at how people are going 64 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:52,310 to be able to perform after very long 65 00:02:58,030 --> 00:02:55,700 duration flights say for example a trip 66 00:02:59,770 --> 00:02:58,040 to Mars right because we want them not 67 00:03:01,089 --> 00:02:59,780 only to be ok when they get back to 68 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:01,099 earth but also be able to function when 69 00:03:07,059 --> 00:03:05,329 they're on Mars right correct ok well so 70 00:03:08,830 --> 00:03:07,069 what what did the crew members actually 71 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:08,840 have to do when they get back from space 72 00:03:15,189 --> 00:03:12,260 to take part in this study well we began 73 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:15,199 this study with what's called a pilot 74 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:19,040 field test simply because I think there 75 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:21,650 was some concern whether or not we could 76 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:24,889 actually get the crews to perform in the 77 00:03:30,809 --> 00:03:26,780 various testing that we were going to be 78 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:30,819 asking them to do okay and the pilot 79 00:03:37,089 --> 00:03:34,730 field test essentially did some very 80 00:03:41,349 --> 00:03:37,099 simple measurements to start with that 81 00:03:43,140 --> 00:03:41,359 were titrated from easy to some very 82 00:03:46,449 --> 00:03:43,150 complex and difficult ones for example 83 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:46,459 the simplest is simply rising from a 84 00:03:51,129 --> 00:03:49,609 chair unaided okay and this is right 85 00:03:53,770 --> 00:03:51,139 after they returned right before they 86 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:53,780 even left the landing field that's 87 00:03:59,890 --> 00:03:56,780 correct is immediately after they we 88 00:04:01,990 --> 00:03:59,900 take them from the Soyuz capsule where 89 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:02,000 they're put in the recovery chair were 90 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:08,060 you know TV ceremonies and then into a 91 00:04:13,869 --> 00:04:11,329 medical tent and begin testing there 92 00:04:15,219 --> 00:04:13,879 okay and then does it continue for 93 00:04:17,649 --> 00:04:15,229 longer after that or is that pretty much 94 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:17,659 the end of that part of the test what 95 00:04:21,580 --> 00:04:18,920 we're interested in 96 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:21,590 is developing a time constant of 97 00:04:25,780 --> 00:04:22,430 recovery 98 00:04:27,820 --> 00:04:25,790 okay the various functions so we test in 99 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:27,830 the field or if it's impossible as it 100 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:30,140 was this last flight same with the 101 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:31,480 weather in Tarragona 102 00:04:40,270 --> 00:04:36,260 or in caucus 10 being what it was kind 103 00:04:43,270 --> 00:04:40,280 of often right March is very bad time so 104 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:43,280 we test at the airport that's 105 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:46,070 transferred to either in a carry ganda 106 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:48,740 or digestives con so you've done several 107 00:04:52,450 --> 00:04:50,630 of these pilot tests and they've gone 108 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:52,460 okay you're confident that you'll be 109 00:04:59,410 --> 00:04:54,860 able to do the same with with Scott and 110 00:05:01,390 --> 00:04:59,420 McGill yes we are we the Russians 111 00:05:04,990 --> 00:05:01,400 actually our Russian counterparts have 112 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:05,000 been doing part of the advanced field 113 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:08,690 test that we don't do so we feel pretty 114 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:11,030 confident that we'll be able to carry 115 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:13,310 out these measurements but to finish 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:15,080 what I was what I was saying just 117 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:19,610 briefly we test again at the at the 118 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:22,250 refueling station in Scotland on their 119 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:24,890 way home and then when they arrive in 120 00:05:28,690 --> 00:05:25,490 Houston 121 00:05:32,470 --> 00:05:28,700 okay all right so we're waiting on a 122 00:05:35,370 --> 00:05:32,480 long time to get just a few not even a 123 00:05:37,540 --> 00:05:35,380 whole day's worth of tests done yes 124 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:37,550 hopefully that'll get you some good 125 00:05:40,780 --> 00:05:39,380 results I know that part of this is that 126 00:05:42,970 --> 00:05:40,790 you're working pretty closely with the 127 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:42,980 Russian researchers on the test why is 128 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:45,530 that important to the to the study well 129 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:47,870 it's important because the Russians 130 00:05:54,270 --> 00:05:50,420 bring a number of tests that we 131 00:05:56,770 --> 00:05:54,280 typically don't do and in looking at 132 00:05:59,920 --> 00:05:56,780 returning crew members and their ability 133 00:06:03,310 --> 00:05:59,930 to recover what kind of tests can you 134 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:03,320 say for example they do some things that 135 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:06,410 are ask the crew members to perform some 136 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:08,690 relatively difficult maneuvers like 137 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:10,880 getting up from a chair and walking as 138 00:06:14,530 --> 00:06:11,930 quickly as they can 139 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:14,540 turning around the corner and then 140 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:16,430 stepping over obstacles in their way 141 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:18,710 okay interesting 142 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:21,110 all right well are there any benefits to 143 00:06:27,090 --> 00:06:22,520 the research for those of us Beck your 144 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:27,100 honor yes there hopefully there will be 145 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:30,340 when you look at our population 146 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:33,340 in the world I mean we are somewhat of 147 00:06:40,350 --> 00:06:36,940 an aging society and we have people 148 00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:40,360 coming back from battlefields that have 149 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:42,639 difficulty because of injuries and so 150 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:44,800 forth take for example the simple 151 00:06:49,890 --> 00:06:47,020 sit-to-stand test that I was talking 152 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:49,900 about it's a very common thing that 153 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:52,530 everybody does every day multiple times 154 00:07:01,140 --> 00:06:57,360 but for a returning astronaut for a 155 00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:01,150 person 55 years or older for example or 156 00:07:08,159 --> 00:07:04,180 people with disabilities it's not an 157 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:08,169 easy exercise many times and failure to 158 00:07:15,140 --> 00:07:11,340 be able to do this results in 159 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:15,150 dysfunction in the sensory motor system 160 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:18,880 perhaps institutionalization and in the 161 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:20,500 worst cases even death 162 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:22,720 okay all right well it sounds like very 163 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:24,430 interesting and important research we 164 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:25,660 appreciate you coming in and tell us a